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	<title>Comments on: You have to pay for quality</title>
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		<title>By: Reverse Phone</title>
		<link>http://blogs.mcafee.com/mcafee-labs/you-have-to-pay-for-quality/comment-page-1#comment-33918</link>
		<dc:creator>Reverse Phone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Oct 2010 15:25:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>10-15 years ago, this kind of data used to be traded in underground usergroups and via confidential fax.  Amazing how how &quot;packaged&quot; the bundles are now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>10-15 years ago, this kind of data used to be traded in underground usergroups and via confidential fax.  Amazing how how &#8220;packaged&#8221; the bundles are now.</p>
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		<title>By: TYRONN</title>
		<link>http://blogs.mcafee.com/mcafee-labs/you-have-to-pay-for-quality/comment-page-1#comment-16759</link>
		<dc:creator>TYRONN</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jul 2008 23:11:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i would  like to know  more about this underground economy
can i know the websites or contacts for acquiring info

email me danstrauss@ureach.com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i would  like to know  more about this underground economy<br />
can i know the websites or contacts for acquiring info</p>
<p>email me danstrauss@ureach.com</p>
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		<title>By: Thomas Opel</title>
		<link>http://blogs.mcafee.com/mcafee-labs/you-have-to-pay-for-quality/comment-page-1#comment-16756</link>
		<dc:creator>Thomas Opel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 May 2008 19:51:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you really can also get PINs from  underground websites and this can be proved at court, this could be very helpful to change german iurisdiction, which currently transfers the risk to the consumers, in case money has been stolen with a creditcard and entry of a correct PIN, assuming that the card holder somehow gave access to the PIN (eg. quote on the back of the card).

Is there a chance to post a link to such a underground website ?

DEUTSCH
Wenn man tatsÃ¤chlich auch an die PINs kommt und dies vor Gericht dargestellt werden kann, gÃ¤be es vielleicht endlich eine Chance fÃ¼r ein Umdenken in der deutschen Rechtsprechung, die immer wieder die Verbraucher im Regen stehen lÃ¤sst, wenn mit einer Kreditkarte und Eingabe der richtigen PIN Geld abgehoben wurde.

Gibt es eine MÃ¶glichkeit hier einen Link zu einer solchen Site zu posten ?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you really can also get PINs from  underground websites and this can be proved at court, this could be very helpful to change german iurisdiction, which currently transfers the risk to the consumers, in case money has been stolen with a creditcard and entry of a correct PIN, assuming that the card holder somehow gave access to the PIN (eg. quote on the back of the card).</p>
<p>Is there a chance to post a link to such a underground website ?</p>
<p>DEUTSCH<br />
Wenn man tatsÃ¤chlich auch an die PINs kommt und dies vor Gericht dargestellt werden kann, gÃ¤be es vielleicht endlich eine Chance fÃ¼r ein Umdenken in der deutschen Rechtsprechung, die immer wieder die Verbraucher im Regen stehen lÃ¤sst, wenn mit einer Kreditkarte und Eingabe der richtigen PIN Geld abgehoben wurde.</p>
<p>Gibt es eine MÃ¶glichkeit hier einen Link zu einer solchen Site zu posten ?</p>
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		<title>By: Iang</title>
		<link>http://blogs.mcafee.com/mcafee-labs/you-have-to-pay-for-quality/comment-page-1#comment-16754</link>
		<dc:creator>Iang</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 May 2008 15:20:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice work ... watch out for those Austrian kangaroos though, AU is australia :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice work &#8230; watch out for those Austrian kangaroos though, AU is australia <img src='http://blogs.mcafee.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Little Saturn</title>
		<link>http://blogs.mcafee.com/mcafee-labs/you-have-to-pay-for-quality/comment-page-1#comment-16753</link>
		<dc:creator>Little Saturn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 May 2008 13:42:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi,

Pls publish the url where they are being sold. Then it would be easier to sell security to senior management</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi,</p>
<p>Pls publish the url where they are being sold. Then it would be easier to sell security to senior management</p>
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